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		<title>By: T Lieberman</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1616</link>
		<dc:creator>T Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what YOU said in your last comment, Scott.  If you start a photo contest, certainly you can call it whatever you like and solicit whatever submissions you like.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, this was my main point:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you start a photo contest called &quot;The Best Dog Photos,&quot; and you state in the rules, &quot;If you don&#039;t have a dog, you may post a photo of another animal,&quot; then someone might legitimately ask:  &quot;Why not just call it &#039;The Best Animal Photos&#039;?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The rules for the &quot;Christmas Season&quot; photo contest said &quot;If you don’t celebrate Christmas, you may post something that represents your holiday.&quot;  Well, if the contest is open to all holidays, it&#039;s a Holiday Season photo contest, no?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nowhere did I say I had an &quot;expectation&quot; that it should be renamed.  Refer to my previous comment:  I simply said it would have &quot;made more sense&quot; to rename it.  (They are perfectly free to persist in not making sense if it pleases them.)  I&#039;m asking why the photo contest would be given a name that is more specific than the submissions that are actually being solicited.  That&#039;s a marketing problem that confuses the readers and contributors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hopefully this is the lesson learned:  When you organize an interfaith activity, you have to change your usual practice, because it&#039;s no longer just about YOUR holiday, it&#039;s about the feelings of EVERYONE who is invited to participate.  The contest organizers started what was essentially an interfaith poetry contest, then insisted that all submissions be filed under the name &quot;Christmas.&quot;  If they wanted their contest to be devoted to Christmas, they should have said &quot;Christian material only, please.&quot;  That wouldn&#039;t have been offensive.  Instead, their message came off as something similar to:  &quot;People of all religions are welcome to submit, but this is OUR season, so don&#039;t expect us to do anything special to acknowledge the diversity of your submissions.&quot;  That&#039;s a self-contradictory message that insults the people who are submitting (generously giving them free content for their blog).  If they don&#039;t want non-Christian submissions, they should say so.  They shouldn&#039;t claim they&#039;re open to non-Christian submissions when they have no real interest in acknowledging those diverse viewpoints.  They shouldn&#039;t make an inclusive gesture with one hand and take it away with the other hand.  Minorities aren&#039;t fooled by that mock-inclusive, dismissive attitude and they&#039;ll just be annoyed that their time was wasted.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If they want to run a &quot;Christmas Season&quot; blog that posts Chanukah photos, they can go ahead and do so, and they can find out how many more people are confused by their publishing selections and their haughty response to a simple question from one of their readers.  They don&#039;t have to accept anyone&#039;s marketing advice.  After all, what do I know about marketing and interfaith sensitivity?  I&#039;m just a religious minority who&#039;s worked in the communications industry.  Don&#039;t listen to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what YOU said in your last comment, Scott.  If you start a photo contest, certainly you can call it whatever you like and solicit whatever submissions you like.</p>
<p>Again, this was my main point:</p>
<p>If you start a photo contest called &#8220;The Best Dog Photos,&#8221; and you state in the rules, &#8220;If you don&#39;t have a dog, you may post a photo of another animal,&#8221; then someone might legitimately ask:  &#8220;Why not just call it &#39;The Best Animal Photos&#39;?&#8221;</p>
<p>The rules for the &#8220;Christmas Season&#8221; photo contest said &#8220;If you don’t celebrate Christmas, you may post something that represents your holiday.&#8221;  Well, if the contest is open to all holidays, it&#39;s a Holiday Season photo contest, no?</p>
<p>Nowhere did I say I had an &#8220;expectation&#8221; that it should be renamed.  Refer to my previous comment:  I simply said it would have &#8220;made more sense&#8221; to rename it.  (They are perfectly free to persist in not making sense if it pleases them.)  I&#39;m asking why the photo contest would be given a name that is more specific than the submissions that are actually being solicited.  That&#39;s a marketing problem that confuses the readers and contributors.</p>
<p>Hopefully this is the lesson learned:  When you organize an interfaith activity, you have to change your usual practice, because it&#39;s no longer just about YOUR holiday, it&#39;s about the feelings of EVERYONE who is invited to participate.  The contest organizers started what was essentially an interfaith poetry contest, then insisted that all submissions be filed under the name &#8220;Christmas.&#8221;  If they wanted their contest to be devoted to Christmas, they should have said &#8220;Christian material only, please.&#8221;  That wouldn&#39;t have been offensive.  Instead, their message came off as something similar to:  &#8220;People of all religions are welcome to submit, but this is OUR season, so don&#39;t expect us to do anything special to acknowledge the diversity of your submissions.&#8221;  That&#39;s a self-contradictory message that insults the people who are submitting (generously giving them free content for their blog).  If they don&#39;t want non-Christian submissions, they should say so.  They shouldn&#39;t claim they&#39;re open to non-Christian submissions when they have no real interest in acknowledging those diverse viewpoints.  They shouldn&#39;t make an inclusive gesture with one hand and take it away with the other hand.  Minorities aren&#39;t fooled by that mock-inclusive, dismissive attitude and they&#39;ll just be annoyed that their time was wasted.</p>
<p>If they want to run a &#8220;Christmas Season&#8221; blog that posts Chanukah photos, they can go ahead and do so, and they can find out how many more people are confused by their publishing selections and their haughty response to a simple question from one of their readers.  They don&#39;t have to accept anyone&#39;s marketing advice.  After all, what do I know about marketing and interfaith sensitivity?  I&#39;m just a religious minority who&#39;s worked in the communications industry.  Don&#39;t listen to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott White</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1613</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Lieberman; you are missing the point entirely.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the Christmas Season for me.  If you want to participate in a contest that I run called The Christmas Contest, but don&#039;t celebrate Christmas, it is entirely up to you.  I will not change the name of my contest to something OTHER than what it means to me to accommodate your submission.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your expectation that she should do that is... well out to lunch.  It&#039;s her contest, her chosen method to celebrate the season.  If you don&#039;t like it.  Don&#039;t submit.  Simple as that.  Go find a contest that is titled to your liking and submit there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Lieberman; you are missing the point entirely.  </p>
<p>This is the Christmas Season for me.  If you want to participate in a contest that I run called The Christmas Contest, but don&#39;t celebrate Christmas, it is entirely up to you.  I will not change the name of my contest to something OTHER than what it means to me to accommodate your submission.</p>
<p>Your expectation that she should do that is&#8230; well out to lunch.  It&#39;s her contest, her chosen method to celebrate the season.  If you don&#39;t like it.  Don&#39;t submit.  Simple as that.  Go find a contest that is titled to your liking and submit there.</p>
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		<title>By: T Lieberman</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1612</link>
		<dc:creator>T Lieberman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You report that the original text said:  &quot;This Challenge is…..The Christmas Season! It can be anything representing Christmas...If you don’t celebrate Christmas, you may post something that represents your holiday.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since the contest was explicitly open to submissions of holidays other than Christmas, it would indeed have made more sense to refer to the theme as the &quot;Holiday Season&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When the contest organizer responded, &quot;I’m not taking Christmas out of OUR season,&quot; she claimed the entire season for herself and her religion.  Obviously, the season belongs to everyone, including those who celebrate other holidays or no holidays at all.   When she continued, &quot;Christians don’t tell others not to celebrate or change the names of their respective holidays,&quot; she seemed to have a very short-term memory indeed.  By inviting people to submit photographs of various winter holidays but insisting that they be subsumed under the title &quot;The Christmas Season,&quot; what else was she doing, but pressuring people who celebrate other holidays to collectively refer to those holidays as &quot;Christmas&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You report that the original text said:  &#8220;This Challenge is…..The Christmas Season! It can be anything representing Christmas&#8230;If you don’t celebrate Christmas, you may post something that represents your holiday.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the contest was explicitly open to submissions of holidays other than Christmas, it would indeed have made more sense to refer to the theme as the &#8220;Holiday Season&#8221;.</p>
<p>When the contest organizer responded, &#8220;I’m not taking Christmas out of OUR season,&#8221; she claimed the entire season for herself and her religion.  Obviously, the season belongs to everyone, including those who celebrate other holidays or no holidays at all.   When she continued, &#8220;Christians don’t tell others not to celebrate or change the names of their respective holidays,&#8221; she seemed to have a very short-term memory indeed.  By inviting people to submit photographs of various winter holidays but insisting that they be subsumed under the title &#8220;The Christmas Season,&#8221; what else was she doing, but pressuring people who celebrate other holidays to collectively refer to those holidays as &#8220;Christmas&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: -A Christmas Battle Over the Busses &#124; ANSWERS For The Faith</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1611</link>
		<dc:creator>-A Christmas Battle Over the Busses &#124; ANSWERS For The Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We call it Christmas&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Tefft</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Tefft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marie and Vicki are absolutely right. No one demands that another name be used for Kwanzza, Ramadan, or Sangha Day (a Buddhist holiday). It seems that the only holiday that is attacked by others is Christmas. If you want to use Happy Holidays that is fine by me but don&#039;t expect me to use it, just as I don&#039;t expect others to change the names of their holidays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie and Vicki are absolutely right. No one demands that another name be used for Kwanzza, Ramadan, or Sangha Day (a Buddhist holiday). It seems that the only holiday that is attacked by others is Christmas. If you want to use Happy Holidays that is fine by me but don&#39;t expect me to use it, just as I don&#39;t expect others to change the names of their holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: The Write Side of My Brain » There&#8217;s ONE reason for the CHRISTMAS Season</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>The Write Side of My Brain » There&#8217;s ONE reason for the CHRISTMAS Season</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jeffersoniad Blogger Scott gets it right: You can call it anything you want but don’t ask me to call MY holiday something [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Scott White</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Merry CHRISTMAS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by!  </p>
<p>Merry CHRISTMAS</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1591</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, thanks so much for your support. It&#039;s gratifying to know that there are others out there who feel the way we do about Christmas and our right to celebrate. No one is looking to curtail the rights of anyone to celebrate their holidays--whatever holidays they may be--in the way they choose...so we want the same rights. This country was founded on the principles of freedom of religion...someone (the ACLU?) has decided that it really means freedom FROM religion. I am sure our founding fathers had no such thoughts when they wrote worked out the details. Ok...stepping down off my soapbox to wish you and your readers a Very, Merry Christmas!&lt;br&gt;Vicki</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, thanks so much for your support. It&#39;s gratifying to know that there are others out there who feel the way we do about Christmas and our right to celebrate. No one is looking to curtail the rights of anyone to celebrate their holidays&#8211;whatever holidays they may be&#8211;in the way they choose&#8230;so we want the same rights. This country was founded on the principles of freedom of religion&#8230;someone (the ACLU?) has decided that it really means freedom FROM religion. I am sure our founding fathers had no such thoughts when they wrote worked out the details. Ok&#8230;stepping down off my soapbox to wish you and your readers a Very, Merry Christmas!<br />Vicki</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://scottsmb.com/2008/11/we-call-it-christmas/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Scott for your support on the subject of Christmas.&lt;br&gt;I look forward to seeing you join in on our CHRISTMAS challenge!!!!&lt;br&gt;Merry CHRISTMAS to you too!  Ü&lt;br&gt;Marie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Scott for your support on the subject of Christmas.<br />I look forward to seeing you join in on our CHRISTMAS challenge!!!!<br />Merry CHRISTMAS to you too!  Ü<br />Marie</p>
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